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	<title>Comments on: eMeg Pushes Environment Issues Into the Gov Race</title>
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		<title>By: pjhackenflack</title>
		<link>http://www.calbuzz.com/2009/10/emeg-pushes-environment-issues-into-govs-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>pjhackenflack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nope</description>
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		<title>By: SezMe</title>
		<link>http://www.calbuzz.com/2009/10/emeg-pushes-environment-issues-into-govs-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>SezMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you mean precocious instead of precious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you mean precocious instead of precious?</p>
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		<title>By: Divebomber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Divebomber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again we find ourselves faced with a dilemma - argue against obviously flawed legislation such as AB32 and be branded &quot;anti-environment&quot; by CalBuzz, or jump on the &quot;save the earth&quot; feel-good-despite-what-the facts-say bandwagon and follow the rats mesmerized by the enviro-pipers.  What to do?

First ask, &quot;Exactly what is AB 32 going to accomplish?&quot;  The formation of new governmental oversight agencies and expansion of governmental power?  Yes.  The back-handed levy of taxes on citizens of the state?  Yes. (You don&#039;t think that corporations are going to eat the costs of implementation of this fool&#039;s delight, do you?)  Will AB 32 stop global warming?  No.  AB 32 won&#039;t even put a dent in global warming.  (Assuming we all agree that &quot;global warming&quot; is actually occurring and can be controlled by mankind... a conclusion that is far from consensual.) But it will generate more government union jobs and generate more money that can be spent as the government deems. All while reducing emissions worldwide a fraction of a percent.

But what about the promised Emerald City a.k.a.&quot;Green Economy&quot;?  Despite what you might hear, economies can not be grown by the government - only the market.  Many governments have tried and failed.  The fact is that forcing &quot;green&quot; policies down our collective throats may appeal to the &quot;Prius and Birkenstock&quot; crowd, but it won&#039;t be self-sustaining as a market must be.  Green markets will develop properly as the technology matures and the market dictates - not the government.

And that&#039;s why Ms. Whitman is right on this one.  The only effect that AB 32 will have on this state (and the world) is to cripple the state economy even more. Sorry - AB 32 will not make the ice caps grow thicker and polar bears won&#039;t be happier. It won&#039;t even be a &quot;good start&quot; towards that end.

And though a robustly growing economy might handle such whimsical wastes of funds (as the &quot;awash in moolah&quot; latter 1990&#039;s demonstrated), our teetering current and foreseeable future economy won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again we find ourselves faced with a dilemma &#8211; argue against obviously flawed legislation such as AB32 and be branded &#8220;anti-environment&#8221; by CalBuzz, or jump on the &#8220;save the earth&#8221; feel-good-despite-what-the facts-say bandwagon and follow the rats mesmerized by the enviro-pipers.  What to do?</p>
<p>First ask, &#8220;Exactly what is AB 32 going to accomplish?&#8221;  The formation of new governmental oversight agencies and expansion of governmental power?  Yes.  The back-handed levy of taxes on citizens of the state?  Yes. (You don&#8217;t think that corporations are going to eat the costs of implementation of this fool&#8217;s delight, do you?)  Will AB 32 stop global warming?  No.  AB 32 won&#8217;t even put a dent in global warming.  (Assuming we all agree that &#8220;global warming&#8221; is actually occurring and can be controlled by mankind&#8230; a conclusion that is far from consensual.) But it will generate more government union jobs and generate more money that can be spent as the government deems. All while reducing emissions worldwide a fraction of a percent.</p>
<p>But what about the promised Emerald City a.k.a.&#8221;Green Economy&#8221;?  Despite what you might hear, economies can not be grown by the government &#8211; only the market.  Many governments have tried and failed.  The fact is that forcing &#8220;green&#8221; policies down our collective throats may appeal to the &#8220;Prius and Birkenstock&#8221; crowd, but it won&#8217;t be self-sustaining as a market must be.  Green markets will develop properly as the technology matures and the market dictates &#8211; not the government.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why Ms. Whitman is right on this one.  The only effect that AB 32 will have on this state (and the world) is to cripple the state economy even more. Sorry &#8211; AB 32 will not make the ice caps grow thicker and polar bears won&#8217;t be happier. It won&#8217;t even be a &#8220;good start&#8221; towards that end.</p>
<p>And though a robustly growing economy might handle such whimsical wastes of funds (as the &#8220;awash in moolah&#8221; latter 1990&#8217;s demonstrated), our teetering current and foreseeable future economy won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Hap Hazard</title>
		<link>http://www.calbuzz.com/2009/10/emeg-pushes-environment-issues-into-govs-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Hap Hazard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of how Whitman&#039;s statement on AB 32 sounds, it is the most truthful assessment of an absolutely awful piece of legislative and regulatory excess, one which will do virtually nothing at all to protect the environment or alter the course of &quot;climate change.&quot;  I don&#039;t support her in this race, but she is right about AB 32.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of how Whitman&#8217;s statement on AB 32 sounds, it is the most truthful assessment of an absolutely awful piece of legislative and regulatory excess, one which will do virtually nothing at all to protect the environment or alter the course of &#8220;climate change.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t support her in this race, but she is right about AB 32.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisfinnie</title>
		<link>http://www.calbuzz.com/2009/10/emeg-pushes-environment-issues-into-govs-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisfinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eMeg should read TIME magazine. The cover story this week is on California and how we&#039;re going to reinvent ourselves again as a leader in green energy. They see our long-time leadership in green legislation and our vaunted technology infrastructure as the perfect combination to position the state to use green technologies to get out of the economic hole we&#039;re in. 

The article goes on to say how important that recovery is for the country as California would, by itself, qualify for inclusion in the G8.

They did note that our dysfunctional government would make that somewhat more difficult, saying, &quot;...they&#039;ve also straitjacketed their politicians with scads of lobbyist-produced ballot initiatives locking in huge outlays for various goodies, as well as the notorious Proposition 13, which has severely restricted local property taxes since 1978. California is also one of only three states that need a two-thirds supermajority to pass a budget or raise taxes, a virtual impossibility in its ultra-partisan legislature.... The state&#039;s economy actually grew last year, but its revenues crashed because its top earners had lower incomes and capital gains. That meant sharp cutbacks, especially in education, which in California is unusually dependent on state cash (which they didn&#039;t link back to the aformentioned Proposition 13).&quot; They wrap up this topic by holding out hope for constitutional reform.

So, if you believe TIME (which I don&#039;t always at all), eMeg&#039;s proposals are wrong for both the environment and for the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eMeg should read TIME magazine. The cover story this week is on California and how we&#8217;re going to reinvent ourselves again as a leader in green energy. They see our long-time leadership in green legislation and our vaunted technology infrastructure as the perfect combination to position the state to use green technologies to get out of the economic hole we&#8217;re in. </p>
<p>The article goes on to say how important that recovery is for the country as California would, by itself, qualify for inclusion in the G8.</p>
<p>They did note that our dysfunctional government would make that somewhat more difficult, saying, &#8220;&#8230;they&#8217;ve also straitjacketed their politicians with scads of lobbyist-produced ballot initiatives locking in huge outlays for various goodies, as well as the notorious Proposition 13, which has severely restricted local property taxes since 1978. California is also one of only three states that need a two-thirds supermajority to pass a budget or raise taxes, a virtual impossibility in its ultra-partisan legislature&#8230;. The state&#8217;s economy actually grew last year, but its revenues crashed because its top earners had lower incomes and capital gains. That meant sharp cutbacks, especially in education, which in California is unusually dependent on state cash (which they didn&#8217;t link back to the aformentioned Proposition 13).&#8221; They wrap up this topic by holding out hope for constitutional reform.</p>
<p>So, if you believe TIME (which I don&#8217;t always at all), eMeg&#8217;s proposals are wrong for both the environment and for the economy.</p>
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